I woulden't mind betting this guy was on antidepressents, Seems to be a unspoken link in all these mass shootings....Big pharma is dealing them out like candy.

THEY WERE KINDERGARTEN KIDS!!!!!

YOU WANT TO ARM 5-YEAR-OLDS?!?!?!?!

WHAT PLANET ARE YOU FROM?!?!?!

If Lanza had not been armed this never would have happened.

Can't kill a classroom of kindergarteners with a baseball bat.

Gun nuts are a problem in this country. A deadly problem. This is what? The 6th or 7th or 8th MASS shooting in this country just this year... Colorado, Wisconsin, Washington, Connecticut.

Guns fired at people kill those people.

I bet this guy Lanza got all those guns and bullets completely legally. He probably never even had a speeding ticket.

Now the entire Class of 2025 in that town is dead.

The students were elementary school kids. You could have learned that if you spent two seconds reading the story. Thus the students having guns would not only be illegal but also incredibly stupid.

How would you feel that this happened at Sheridan School, Everett or Lake Bluff Elementary? After the Lori Dann shooting decades ago and the gang killings each year in Chicago/suburbs, guns shoot be melted down and used for something else. The gun that Lori bought was a gun store in Glenview on Waukegan Rd. at the time, gun stores never had the gun check.

I wish the App store would remove the war/gun games, retail stores would remove these types of games (XBox/Playstation/Wii) from shelves.

To Me, you are as delusional and disturbed as the shooter. Arming 5 year olds will never be the solution. This tragedy brings to light many issues: gun control and the ease of obtaining any kind of weapon; the dismal mental health services in this country; and the undercurrent and acceptance of violence as a form of entertainment to which we all have become immune. Tragic that we cannot protect the most innocent and vulnerable among us.

This is a society issue not a gun issue. Brian is this one of those magic guns you speak of that get up by themselves and and shoot people? If this whacko couldn't have got a gun he would have bombed that school if he couldn't figure that out he would have burned it to the ground. These sicko's get to the point of no return and are nuts but it has nothing to do with guns. Show me the magic guns??

It's wrong to assume that he would have bombed the school. You are just guessing to the lengths this man would have gone. Someone has to pull a trigger, but you can't easily shoot a person with any other weapon. And if you chose to read my next comments, you will see that I didn't say it was the gun's fault. I'm not as ignorant as you want me to be. Yes, someone has to pull the trigger, but the trigger still has to be there to be pulled. This crazy person got a hold of some guns that generally aren't needed for anything other than causing mayhem. That isn't a good thing anywhere.

I don't want to take away your guns. I do want to keep them out of these people's hands as much as possible. We track people that buy things to make bombs. That's why they get caught. But try to suggest tracking people who buy a certain amount of ammo and the NRA will flip out. It's gotten to a point here where roughly half the country won't support laws to keep guns out of the wrong hands because they feel that they are next. Something about that isn't right.

Its not wrong to assume that this isn't a gun problem either this guy was nuts he was going to kill as many people as he could with or with out guns! Its scum like you that give guns a bad name the 2nd A is here to stay and theres nothing you can do about it. These people are nuts and they kill people with or with out guns

Agreed, but personally I am of the mind that we shouldn't make it easier to kill loads of people. I'm not sure if any of the kids have died yet or not, but the knife attack in China was awful but left them all wounded, not dead. It's easier to run or overpower (at least for a short time to allow escape) someone with weapons other than guns as well.

Fact: 60% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they knew the victim was armed. 40% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they thought the victim might be armed.123

Well stated, Brian. I really thought Quinn's statement made a great deal of sense when I first heard it, especially about living on social media and how it often shields us from having to really care about people and have honest conversations that aren't all about one-liners and the joke of the day.

Yeah, we see it here non stop. We (myself included) get in these silly online arguments and people go nuts and insults, profanity, and just plain rudeness ensue. Granted that is nothing compared to what happened at this school, but it's so easy to forget that you are still talking to another person on the other end of the keyboard and some people may take what you say very seriously.

I never would have thought that Brady Quinn would be doling out the advice that I would take to heart, but it made a lot of sense. I'm sure others have said it as well, but his got some big media attention at least.

His statement came from the heart, that's why I liked it so much. Social media can desensitize you and make you forget there is a person behind those keystrokes. I see it on Patch comments all the time. While we welcome and encourage comments, some posters do it for sport, the thrill of attacking someone anonymously, thinking they're hilarious. I appreciate posters who can carry on thoughtful conversations and share insights. You can go anywhere else on the Internet to act like a jerk.

I doubt it's any relation given geography, but I could be wrong. Best not to throw anyone's name out there in connection with any crime when you have no proof. I know I wouldn't appreciate someone using my name in such a way.

The people are guilty not an inanimate piece of metal and wood. Trained responsible gun educated teachers with a concealed hand gun on their person comes to mind but they will have armed security guards long before that but yeah put the blame where it belongs its the nut job that was responsible if he was mentally ill and talked about it to someone that person should have spoke up. Who knows these people are nuts it has nothing to do with a gun.

Did he legally get the guns? Did his family members and he took them without permission? He is unstable and got guns because they are easy to get. It is not the gun that is a cause it is the ease of anyone getting a gun that is the problem. And if you start arming teachers, who is to say if they are qualified to have one, or have an 'episode" at home and bring it to school and start shooting. The problem is how easy it is to get a gun. Reasonable gun regulation won't stop shootings, but it will certainly slow them down. Just maybe talk to the parents who have been involved in a situation like this and tell them that everyone should be armed. See what kind of reaction you would get. If you have a conceal and carry law, then anyone, crazy or normal can hide a gun. What a sad society we have become.

Thats right anyone crazy can get a gun on the street anytime a law abiding citizen has to wait and go through all the checks etc They can make guns 100% illegal and it wouldn't make difference because these guys that commit crimes like this are nuts if he couldn't get a gun he would have used a bomb if he couldn't figure that out he would have torched that school. Its not a gun issue.

This isn't a movie where the good guy drops the bad guy with a single shot. A non-pro with a gun would hit, in order, no one, one of the kids, himself, the criminal. Look at the video from earlier in the year of NYC cops in a shootout with one person. Bullets were flying everywhere without hitting the target.

I know its kinda like terrorism what are you going to do? Blow up the middle east? Cant do it. People flip out and they get to that point of no return and thats it. If this guy couldn't get a gun he would have used a bomb etc Lots of junior highs and high schools already have security guards there will be more to come now I'm sure.

Keep in mind that many materials to make bombs now flag in the system and many of these people are caught before they get to blow anything up. It takes knowledge to make a bomb....yes, you can find that knowledge in many places, but a gun you can pick up and start killing others. Yes, the gun still needs someone to use it and pull the trigger. But guns were invented to kill things. They have many secondary uses now, but they were intended to make killing things easier. We don't sell many items like that on a daily basis by the thousands.

Fact: 60% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they knew the victim was armed. 40% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they thought the victim might be armed.

I don't want to get into where you got your survey results from since you only deal in facts, but if they are convicted felons, that means they still committed a crime against someone. So didn't the concealed carry just push the crime to someone else?

Direct from LE! Pushed the crime to someone else? Huh? Why did all the gun crimes and violent crimes drop in states with CC? Sure some guys went oh shit that guy looks like he might be packin and went to the next victim but the rate dropped if you don't like it leave our country! I know you don't like to hear that because guys like you get off when a sliver of a fraction of people get killed by guns from Responsible gun owners so you can say told you so! lol You lost you have no leg to stand on.

Fact: Deaths and injuries from mass public shootings fall dramatically after right-to-carry concealed handgun laws are enacted. Between 1977 and 1995,54 the average death rate from mass shootings plummeted by up to 91% after such laws went into effect, and injuries dropped by over 80%

Jeff, no one is ever killed by responsible gun owners (except in defense cases). Once the previously responsible gun owner decides to kill innocent people, they have become a completely irresponsible gun owner. Add that to the straight up criminals who keep shooting each other (ie. gangs, career felons, etc) and you have a lot of people using guns to hurt and murder.

I don't have time right now to delve into all your numbers, but in looking at the page your FACT information from, it does have some good numbers. I'll cite it for you.

http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/5.1/gun-facts-5.1-screen.pdf

I'll read through them today and go from there, as I still keep an open mind about gun control. I can already see though that to prove some of their facts they use a large range of years instead of comparing direct year against year in other countries. Some of their FACT quotes are also followed by the word estimated, which is not really a fact.

The 60% of felons quote you gave says it was from a 1986 survey....very current.

They also cite the FBI site frequently, which you told me was all lies and falsehoods.

So yeah, I'll read it all and go in open minded and remember what you told me about government sites only spreading lies.

See there you go again you have to research everything anyone has ever put on here so it meets your approval I didn't say anything I get from a website is fact you do. If its something that I believe in I'll pass it along. I do get real live info from people at least once a month or more on some very staggering statistics like I mentioned before about the illegal criminals on the other post. Your already ripping on gunfacts because there findings dont work for you thats because nothing works for you. When your done with your research go fuck yourself and flush out your mom she's full again!

Jeff, chatting with you is like chatting to a middle aged child. I don't expect you take what I put as blind truth, which is why I link to my stats so you can look at them and decide if you believe them or not. You're even getting mad after I said that there was some staggering numbers on there that I wanted to look at more. I'm not ripping on it because it doesn't agree with me, I'm ripping on how the extrapolate some of the data they use. Not all of it by any means, but using survey results and saying they are fact doesn't work. If surveys were 100% accurate than Romney would have been president now according to a few of them. You have to take surveys with a grain a salt.

You see, what I'm doing is looking for common ground and somewhere to meet in the middle. What you're doing is telling me it's only black or white and I'm a moron/prostitute/America Hater/idiot...anything else?. Guns or no guns. That's just not true.

I'm telling you jeff. Just relax. You can pretend we're on the school bus where the other children laugh at your 6th grade insults all you want, but it's just a message board for people to give and discuss their opinions. I said it once before, but when you're ready to act like the accomplished adult that you say you are, I'd love to keep chatting.

Brian, You analyze everything anyone has ever posted on here you get off on it somehow. You even tell people what to do with their kids now! Im not surprised you want to get involved with that seeing is how your not allowed to be with in 500 ft of a school.

Your posts are getting more enigmatic. Are you trying to imply that I have been arrested for inappropriate actions with children? That's quite the serious accusation and extremely inappropriate, but I would expect nothing less from you.

I have no reason to believe that you aren't what you say you are, but I'm amazed that you had a business in 50 states and however many countries when you treat people like this. Maybe you aren't this polite in person...who knows. Your comments insulting everything about me here aren't going to make me sad, won't make my opinion invalid, and won't make you a "real man." It's online chatter and you just sound like a bitter person who can't accept that someone else isn't lock step with him.

But you should be careful throwing around your childish insults. Not everyone will read your comments with a smile and write them off as childish drivel like I do. You might actually push someone over the tipping point. You don't want to change gun culture, and that's fine. You've had some valid points but you should work on changing other things instead. Politeness goes a long way.

So jeff, still love ya, have yourself a merry Christmas and a great New Year.

(ps...keep in mind that it is OK to proofread your insults.)

You can't have 100% surety that it can never happen. In this case the shooter forced his way in. There is no way to prevent a determined person from forcing his way in. Locked doors and windows mean very little. A security guard means very little.

No...actually Nucky...it's sick fools like you.

Come and collect the guns ya big wuss! I'm the most law abiding responsible gun owner there is. Thank god because with all the sick & twisted losers like you running around I feel much better. Don't you have a little kid to go molest or something?

Yes and when you can find me one of these magic guns please let us know. Its not a gun issue. This guy was a nut bar!

Over 250k people are killed every year by alcohol.......where is the outrage?

DUI is a slap on the wrist.

I agree. There are certain weapons that just don't need to be sold. Everyone will start to cry about making sure you have enough weapons in case our government turns tyrannical, but are you really gonna fight the US army? Even if half of them deserted, the Army still has tanks...missiles, the air force. Is your AR-15 gonna take care of that? Do you really need more than 5 rounds in your rifle? One shot and most game runs away...you might get two. Do you need more than an already high 12 rounds in your hand gun? At a certain point we need to ask ourselves if some of these things make a better society for everyone. The gun manufactures know that if they make it, people will pay for it...no matter how silly it is for a suburban person to own.

The hearts of decent people all over the world, are with the families of the victims. No one should have to face something so horrific happening to their loved ones. The events that happened in Connecticut were unspeakable. But they were the actions of a man, and the responsibility is that man's.

I understand what you are trying to say, but it feels like quite a stretch to compare a democratic nation's laws with those of an extremely fascist warmonger enforcing laws on countries that he conquered. When we (the allies) took the surrender of Germany, we didn't open up the market and let them all buy guns now that Hitler was gone.

There are many first world countries that have tighter gun laws who haven't been overthrown. There are probably multiple ways to keep dangerous people from procuring guns, but one way to do it is to make it much harder to come by the guns. Yes, that affects everyone but until we have a system that works like the film "The Minority Report," we can never tag all the potential harmful people. The next best step is to track and limit the weapons of choice. We keep an eye on people who buy supplies to make certain bombs. If you are buying your guns to purely hunt, sport shoot, and protect yourself then you shouldn't have an issue with being on file for those weapons and ammo. You can pull the "slippery slope" about the government easily finding you then to take your weapons but every situation has a slippery slope if you want to look for it.

I feel that at a certain point you have to do certain things to help cull this madness that is occurring. A big part of that, probably the biggest, is finding and helping these people before they act. Until we can do that sufficiently though, I feel restricting one more tool of violence isn't a bad idea.

Brian lets make are gun laws like movies! Idiot!

Starting our dance again jeff? Before you call me an idiot repeatedly, you should double check your word choices...are and our, two different words with two very different meanings. And how do we get movies from what I said? Wouldn't movies be more like what we have now? Many characters have guns, shoot them all the time, with generally no repercussion. That is why many on the pro gun side look to Hollywood to help change the way people see guns. Not as something to be brandished and used everywhere, but as a tool of the responsible.

Before you respond keep in mind that I don't mind that you disagree with me. All I ask is that you formulate your opinion and give me reasons you want things a certain way. Calling me an idiot, making "back of the bus" jokes about my mom, general insults....they don't move your case forward. Also, if you want to tell me something is a fact it would be nice to have some sort of evidence to back it up. I don't know your personal sources. They might be right, but evidence is generally needed to convince people.

I know the difference Cryin Brian this is patch and I could care less about my grammar. That's all you have? Don't you have a veteran to go pick on or a teacher? How about successful business owners? I get my FACTS from family and friends in LE something you wouldn't know about. When did I say I want things a certain way??

You obviously want things your way or you wouldn't write a book to everyone that posts on here. I don't need to give a complete American hating douche bag like yourself reasons for anything. Now you want evidence to convince people? I thought you liked everyone's opinions? Oh thats right you only like yours you fucking cry baby! Tell your mom I said hi!

Such a smart guy you are, and so friendly as well. I guess I was wrong and you didn't want to chat anymore. I still love you jeff.

Aww poor Brian your mad again.

Your points on fully automatic weapons is very true, and if you look at most of these events, fully automatic weapons are rarely, if ever used. But I disagree about your points on semi-automatic. What other term do we use if people don't want to define certain guns as assault rifles and semi-automatic? When you read the CT story, not everyone will know what a .223 Bushmaster is...if you say it was a semi-automatic, assault type rifle, people will picture that gun in their minds. Yes, it is a used to make people worried about that type of gun, but why shouldn't we be?
What other use does that gun have? Sure, it can be used to hunt game and sport shoot but when guns like that are designed and made to look and somewhat act like a military rifle...not used for hunting or sport.

There is no need for guns like this on the street or in peoples homes. You can sport shoot and hunt with other guns. Just because it is made doesn't mean everyone should be able to get one.

Brian. You hate guns just admit. You can spin this anyway you want but this guy was nuts he planned to do this and harm lots of people its not a gun issue. If he wanted to make a homemade bomb he would have slipped under the radar easier than getting a gun so don't fool yourself put the blame where it belongs on the shooter. Better mental health back ground checks great! but the 2nd A is here to stay if you don't like it you can leave you don't like anybody in this country anyway.

Jeff, you really don't know me at all, so you don't need to make wild accusations. I'm sure people didn't like it when women got the right to vote, when we abolished slavery, and I'm not the only one that disagrees with the concealed carry element of the second amendment. It doesn't mean I hate America or all it's inhabitants. Believe it or not, I don't even hate you...even after you have used your posts to threaten me at least three times. We don't know each other...so please...calm down.

I also don't hate guns. Again, if you would actually read and comprehend what I have written i think you would see that. I don't own guns because I don't think it is a necessity to live my life safely. I have hunted and sport shot in the past.

I have also said many times there was something wrong with this guy, but no one caught it or did anything about it. He was able to get what sounds like 4 guns, two of which appear to be "assault type" military style weapons. That doesn't need to happen. Yes, he could have killed these people in other ways, but that isn't a justification to allow him easy access to one way of killing.

Brian, You hate America.. you hate vets,union teachers,successful business owners you have made that clear. I make fun of you yes but have never threatened you and when the one guy who did threaten to shoot you said that to you I was the only one who told him not to. Just stick to hating America as a whole it will save you time on all your long and boring posts!

I really need to stop responding...but..you have threatened to beat me up on quite a few threads. You told...I think Stevie...not to shoot me because it would set back the Conceal Carry cause, not because he wanted to kill me. You make up stories about who I am and what I believe. You claim that I want people to think my opinion is the only truth when you are the only one who who gets mad at those who disagree with you.

You desire so strongly to believe that I hate all those groups you mentioned when anyone who reads what I write will clearly see otherwise. You want reasons to dislike me...and that's fine. I can't change who you chose to be and represent online. If you want to pretend that beating me up will solve all your issues...fine. If it helps you sleep at night hating me because of things you make up. Fine. I'm glad to help.

But I'm done answering your posts and responding to the lies you continue to perpetuate about me. It's asinine that you can't engage in a conversation with someone who doesn't agree with you on all issues and when they don't, you make up information and resort to likening them to prostitutes and even being so mature as to make fun of my mom. When you learn to have an open discussion we can try this again. Until then have a lovely time only talking to those who agree with you.

Good Brian you can go hate America somewhere else! Thank you!

Fact: Deaths and injuries from mass public shootings fall dramatically after right-to-carry concealed handgun laws are enacted. Between 1977 and 1995,54 the average death rate from mass shootings plummeted by up to 91% after such laws went into effect, and injuries dropped by over 80%

That is the crux of this entire problem. I agree. We need to do more as a society to identify and help these people. I also think that bandaging our gun culture would help, but I know it is not the only way things can get fixed here.

These guys that snap like this are nuts it has nothing to do with guns. He had evil plan and was going to carry it out no matter what guns,flame thrower, bomb etc

I was just going off of preliminary reports that I heard saying he was found with three guns...but we all know how facts in these stories change from day to day.

I know that the majority of people that own guns like that aren't out to get anyone. I guess what I am really saying is that I don't get why it means so much to gun owners that they have these types of weapons...so much so that they are willing to concede that high magazine "assault type" guns may be used in these types of massacres just to keep them in your possession. Only having been a recreational shooter, I don't understand that attachment.

I know it may not be the best way to do it, but I feel that sometimes concessions should be made on certain things to better the society we live in. I feel this is one of those times. I know a lot of people will disagree with me, and that's fine. I am just putting my opinion out on one way to bandage this massive problem we have had brewing over the past few years. The guns need a person, but the person also used the guns.

I didn't read this far down. Noted.

Please stop spreading your ignorance. It's sad that you think guns are the problem. what data did you use to come to that conclusion? The problem is that the culture is changing for the worse with the liberal indoctrination of kids in society through public education and political correctness run amuck. As an example, you cant teach right and wrong in public school because it's "religion" morals are out the window, you can't criticize gangster rap because it's "expression", abortion is ok though because it's "her choice". Why then if a pregnant woman is killed can the killer be charged with 2 murders? Culture rot and the lack of respect for human life is what we need to be concerned with going forward. The liberal arguement holds no water here. It's a tragedy that 20 kids were murdered, but millions get aborted in the name of liberal choice in what would be considered a more violent way. Abortion is the killing of your own offspring, if that is supported and even encouaged, what do you expect with regard to respect for human life? Very sad.

Really not helping much. And you don't know any of the backgrounds of the victims except that it sounds like his mother taught him about guns and how to shoot.

Try not to marginalize a gun control argument about stopping this by talking about how other innocent people should be killed.

Real brilliant Its his moms fault? wow! These guys are nuts get it through your head! Its not a gun issue.

At least we still have the right and always will to protect ourselves and our family's from people like you.

That would be great. So how do we start doing that effectively since it isn't working now? At least talking about gun control we have ways to go about it and it might dip the violence a little bit. Not a cure, but one step towards lowering our staggering number of gun deaths.

@Abigail - By all means! We should lock away anyone who presents a possible threat to the mainstream. It is far more important the we are all armed to the teeth so that we can repel any threat, real or imagined. The rights of those who are locked away are dwarfed by my right to own a weapon of my choice.